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 Post subject: Re: Skilling research - shielding [article discussion]
PostPosted: 28 Jun 2011, 12:10 
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Name: Mirunwin
World: Guardia
Vocation: Knight

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Yes you are right, it seemed to me that The Stomper and Demonving Axe are similar to The Avenger defense factor. My bad :)
I cancel previous comments, great article.


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 Post subject: Re: Skilling research - shielding [article discussion]
PostPosted: 28 Jun 2011, 17:27 
Name: Varyjan

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It's a nice article, even though most of the finds were already known by the interested part of the playerbase :)

And i have to say that training spot is pure awesomeness, especially on non-pvp. Been training there for weeks without seeing another human being. Too bad i outgrew that spawn and had to move on to bigger training prey.


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 Post subject: Re: Skilling research - shielding [article discussion]
PostPosted: 15 Jul 2011, 22:04 
Name: Nihtgenga
World: Pacera
Vocation: Druid

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Why did you not use a shield with 20 def...? or a weapon with 8 def... The results are amazing but what do they proof?


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 Post subject: Re: Skilling research - shielding [article discussion]
PostPosted: 16 Jul 2011, 22:16 
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Name: Gorak
World: Refugia
Vocation: Paladin

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Nihtgenga wrote:
Why did you not use a shield with 20 def...? or a weapon with 8 def... The results are amazing but what do they proof?


Why not? It was a matter of choice I guess. A lower shield defense would give more accurate results over a short testing period, same with weapon defense. I also wanted to use weapons that were suited to the knight's skills I was testing with.

What does it prove? Exactly what I said:

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While this may be a choice of style, the sword only modifies the shields defense, it does not act as your main defense.


It does matter if you have a sword skill of 100 and a defense on a sword of 100, if you wear a shield even with 8 defense and a skill of 10, the shield will be counted for your defense not the sword.

If you scroll to the bottom of the article, the main points are nicely laid out for you.


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 Post subject: Re: Skilling research - shielding [article discussion]
PostPosted: 14 Jul 2012, 21:45 
Name: Leferty

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What I'd want to know is, if difference is same if you're attacking a monster. You can defend yourself better if monster that is attacking you is unmarked. If you'll mark (attack) it, will it still wont matter if you'll have shield on?


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 Post subject: Re: Skilling research - shielding [article discussion]
PostPosted: 23 Jul 2012, 03:10 
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Name: Gorak
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Leferty wrote:
What I'd want to know is, if difference is same if you're attacking a monster. You can defend yourself better if monster that is attacking you is unmarked. If you'll mark (attack) it, will it still wont matter if you'll have shield on?


Does not matter if it is marked or unmarked, if you are on full defense.


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 Post subject: Re: Skilling research - shielding [article discussion]
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012, 08:32 
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Gorak wrote:
Leferty wrote:
What I'd want to know is, if difference is same if you're attacking a monster. You can defend yourself better if monster that is attacking you is unmarked. If you'll mark (attack) it, will it still wont matter if you'll have shield on?


Does not matter if it is marked or unmarked, if you are on full defense.
And what about when we are on full attack? :)

I heard rumours that when on full attack you block better when not having the monster as marked, is there any truth to this? ^^


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 Post subject: Re: Skilling research - shielding [article discussion]
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2012, 19:11 
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Name: Gorak
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No, in my tests it did not matter what mode you were on if you were not actively attacking anything, it all acted as if it was full defense.


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 Post subject: Re: Skilling research - shielding [article discussion]
PostPosted: 27 Jul 2012, 22:32 
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Name: Aissy

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Gorak wrote:
No, in my tests it did not matter what mode you were on if you were not actively attacking anything, it all acted as if it was full defense.
Thats very nice to know. I got that feeling that it might be this way but its hard to tell for sure when I havnt really tested it out.

Another thing, which is probably even harder to tell but I know no one better to ask...
The same situation as last time, with full attack and a monster selected/not selected.
If we dont select attack on a monster but instead uses spells/runes like exori gran/avalanche, does this count the same as selecting attack on a monster and giving us lower defense or is the defense only lowered when we actually select attack?


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 Post subject: Re: Skilling research - shielding [article discussion]
PostPosted: 29 Jul 2012, 15:20 
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Name: Gorak
World: Refugia
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Only lowered when you actually select attack and if you have balanced or full attack as your option. Otherwise, with nothing selected it is the same as full defense.


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